Commentary: "Lone wolf" most difficult threat to fight

Good Morning Cinderella:

Ms. Townsend is very attractive. Is she a democrat?

Cheers,
Fred

She worked for George Bush. I doubt she is a Democrat. But definitely a cougar.

Why hasn't CNN covered the murder of a US Army recruiter by a black muslim with the same rabidness.? Where was the in-depth discussion about "lone wolf's" after that act of terrorism?

A single person willing to trade his/her own life for a target is almost impossible to stop

Right after the Obama Administration took office the head of Homeland Security issued a notice about right wing terrorist groups. The republicans had a hizzy fit and she had to apologize....

What do they say now....two shootings within a week FROM RIGHT WING HATE GROUPS.....where's the outrage now.

And where are all the left hate groups....after all the republicans had a hizzy fit because they were warned about....double standard again. The right wing have numerous hate groups but they want to blame domestic terrorism on the left...as usual.

What happened yesturday in DC is truly a tragedy , I personally hate racism in any form its unexcusable by any means , the one thing bothering me in all of this is the sudden scare tactics the media is using on the American people (Domestic Terrorism) , hate and racism have always been here unfortunately , why is it that in a controlled ecomic collapse worldwide and increasing socialism here at home does the controlled media decide to intertwine (white supracy people) with anyone who stands against a tyranical government , dont get be wrong the old man was in the wrong yesturday and deserves judgement , Im just upset with the way media portrays all (Patriots) as white supemacy types , I guess it wont be long now before we get another Ruby Ridge !

This woman was about as visible, and probably as intelligent, as good old Dick Cheney. The "lone wolf" is a great problem, but it always has been................if we are going to start another round of "what if" interviews featuring people with the credibility of Frances Townsend, why don't we start a series of "How to make your money last" interviews with Bernie Madoff? Townsend was an invisible part of Bush's administration and even though that may be to her credit, she may still have been the only person who wanted to accept the position in the first place.

This person was not a lone wolf. He was part of organized right wing hate groups. This was no isolated. There will be more of these like the shooting of the abortion doctor.

Fueled by clowns like Limbaugh, Hannity and O'?Reilly there will be much more of this.

Fueled? Hannity/O'Reilly called the abortion doctor a murder, showed his house and family on the air.

The same clowns shouting "terrorist" during the campaign actually believe this crap. "Obama is more of a threat to America than Al Qaeda." – Rush Limbaugh.

These are not lone wolves, they are the domestic terrorists Homeland Security warned about and then had to apologize for.

This country needs to come to grips with it's own terrorists.

I'm curious. How many members of these hate groups are Republican? I bet the percent is in the high 90's.

Attractive? Maybe... I'd be terrified of her if I were a wounded deer or maybe a bear cub frolicking alone in the forest unaware a an impending pounce and bite to the back of my neck. Grooooooowwl.

Democrats need more predatory woodland felines in their ranks.

This guy was no lone wolf – he had a clear history if racism and connections with hate groups. He should have been watched...

And lets give the guards some credit – they were there for a reason, and they did their job, stopping this nut before he could kill any of the public.

Get ready for more of this extreme-right violence – they're scared, and will be acting out more and more.

Since when is a neo-Natzi hate monger considered "right-wing"? Hate is hate no matter what direction it comes from. I'm so sick of this. This guy represents the right-wing as much as Osama bin Laden represents all if Islam. Give me a break!

What kind of comment is that? You're judging a person's political affiliations based on their looks?

also what is a "hizzy fit"? Is that a tantrum you have in your house, or at a house party?

Or is that "street" for cramming furniture into your house?

The "lone wolf" is actually the easiest threat to fight, it's the most difficult threat to prevent though. If you think about it, it took only one man to stop this attack. If you had groups of people, it's a whole lot harder to fight, but you can predict it much better.

"Long wolf" attacks will get more common, as more citizens get frustrated with the lack of representation and integrity in government, as more people lose their jobs. People are getting more despondent, which leads to people making stupid decisions. This is why concealed weapons permits should be given out MUCH more freely, so that the citizens can stop this threat, instead of being the slaughtered sheep.

Unfortunately, the wolf is not so "lone". He represents a certain segment of society–those who hate based on religion, race, creed etc. The country must look at itself in depth because there are many white supremacists who are celebrating today. In religious teaching terms, we must remove the splinter in our own eye before trying to remove that of someone else. That is, the country must look into its own heart and see the trouble before it becomes lost and blind in its war on terrorism. Concentrating only on that war, we fail to see our own hatred. Those who hate, including those who attack based on gender identity, must be dealt with under the law. Also, the gun culture exacerbates the problem. Everday, on television and in the movies, we celebrate resolving conflict through gun violence.,

Marge needs to take a long walk off a short pier. I am conservative, don't you dare lump these fringe lunatics in with my political philosophies. Where are the left wing extremist groups? They're busy blowing up animal research facilities. Why don't you and Fritzie boy stick to the facts as presented rather than drag the last administration into every conversation you participate in.

AHHHHH I think you meant "hissy fit". I know what that is. I have those when the cnn comments moderator decides my post are simply to profound to publish.

There is nothing funnier than American Nazis. As a descendant of a man who died at Auschwitz, I take particular exception to old white trash fat men who decide to don some khaki and a gun in a weak attempt to explain the world and all the bad things it's done to them.

Actually Ms. Townsend was a very competent and qualified Homeland Security Adviser. She has an impeccable background. As for visibility, maybe you can name the current Homeland Security Adviser (not the Secretary, Napolitano). I'm sure you can't.

I don't think we need to get into blaming current or past policy makers for criminal acts. We also don't need to try to associate terrorists and criminals with political parties. There is nobody who is a mainstream Democrat or Republican who supports such extremism. This was a desparate, sad old man, a convict who probably wanted to go out with a blaze of glory.

Hello America...
..."Do they have weapons? Do they have access to weapons?"
Wouldn't it make sense, and save lives if mentally ill/felons were given a background check before purchasing a weapon.

Thank the NRA for giving gun ownership rights to every nutjob out there.

THANK YOU NRA!!!

As to left wing hate groups, they were out for Carrie Prejean's scalp for a politically correct answer to a loaded question.
Attempts to censor, oppress, restrict those groups disagree with come from extremists on both sides. Neither extreme seems well founded, just loud. Both sides remind one of Iran, the Taliban and those that practice or admire communism, such as Hugo Chavez.

Did America truly believe that it could just marginalize a huge segment of society (older white males) and there would no repercussions? These same men that helped build this nations great infrastructure are now told that they should just go away and quietly die. Where is the political outcry for their rights?

As long as our government allows so many "aliens": Illegal or otherwise, to come into this country, reap its benefits, break its laws, etc., and continues to cater to their interests, over so many of our own citizens, you are going to have increased self-proclaimed "patriots" taking the law into their own hands. I am a Vietnam vet; I obey the laws; I don't belong to any hate groups, but even I don't like the way I see this country going and even though I don't condone this type of violence, I feel that I understand some guys' frustrations and I, too, am increasingly tiring of being taken for granted and, as I see it, having my wishes for a peaceful & bright future for my family, being ignored, while those who don't deserve... get more & more...

The guard that gave his life to save people in that museum should be remembered by all. It seems that the news people jumped on this because this man that did the killing is a white supremist. It hit all the news networks and papers with full spreads as it should have. Why did the Black man ,who was a Muslim extremist and killed one of our soldiers and wounded another, only generated an honorable mention in the news.I see no difference in terrorism as far as color is concerned but the news media seems to run from news that concerns black extremist. Our streets are full of extremist in the inner cities but no one talks about it.

Amazing that a old white man is a "lone wolf" when doing the unspeakable. Where's the same attention on the islam convert who killed the army recuiter? Oh, I forgot, CNN is a liberal news organization like all the others, and terrorism does not exist. Unbelievable! Nice "journalism"

What is with the over preponderance of right wing commentators on CNN.com?

lone wolf. I hate the metaphor. i'm gonna start a group that hates that metaphor via the internet. Ok, just kidding. A lone wolf does alot of things, it is not exactly a hate group out loud...associating a lone wolf with hate group is..gathering a hate group.

you know what is amazing is the fact that the obama administration issued a warning against right-wing hate groups all over the country. they issued this throughout the government stating that they feared there was going to be a spike in violence by these groups. you know what the rpubs did? they went on FOX NEWS and said that right-wingers were being targeted. they rallied against it. it was on almost every show on fox news for a few days making it like the obama administration was out to get them. because of course the base of fox news is ignorant people. im sure white supremicists agree 100% that the media is left biased besides fox news. im sure if you ask a skinhead, a nazi an anti-abortion radicalist what news network they watch they would say FOX and what party are they affiliated with they would say republican. THIS IS A FACT and i think it shows plainly and clearly which party of this country can ending up bringing about its downfall! please post this CNN it needs to be seen!!

These are not lone wolfs. They are part of a larger organization. A terrorist organization. We do not want to acknowledge it because the trail leads to places we don't want to admit, Like the republican party, Like your neighborhood church.

Ian offers the same strawman diversionary tactic that has infested the web over the past week every time the topic of right wing domestic terrorism arises.

So I offer a diversionary tactic of my own, just as irrelevant...

Ian, why are you defending domestic terrorists by trying to change the subject? Should we be concerned that you are the next "lone wolf"?

And the guy that shot the American Soldier the other day at the recruiting center was a "left wing nut"?

Marge – where's your outrage over the US Army Recruiter that was killed by a Muslim extremist a couple of weeks ago? By your measures – that would be considered a "Left Wing Hate Crime"!

Gotta love the single-mindedness of the libs.

@ West Virginia

The media isn't using sudden scare tactics. If people commit newsworthy crimes, it's reported. If there's a rising trend of white supremacist activism, then it gets reported on. You know, when Bush ran this country for 8 years, I didn't hear of any death threats from left wing groups that posed imminent danger.

Neo-Nazis and the like have been targeting Obama and other minorities for quite a while. They've been seeking new followers and sympathizers.

It's ridiculous to accuse the media of portraying ALL Patriots of being white supremacists. Read the articles on the WWII vets who were thrown into the Nazi slave labor camps.

Believe it or not, minorities defend this country in the armed forces, too. They along with everyone else in the military are the real patriots.

Also, don't even try to stir up the socialism debate. The government does things it perceives are needed, but it will never change its core values. Look at Obama. He's totally capitalizing on book deals. Once he's out of office, you can bet that he'll run a lecture circuit and rake in millions.

Yes, the "lone wolf," freeing everyone of responsibility for their contributions to his actions. Was this shooter nuts? Sure. Was his fury fueled by Fox News incessant hatemongery? DEFINITELY. Ever since Obama took office the Corporate Right, Fox in particular, have been encouraging acts of Right Wing Domestic Terrorism - from their 'tea bagging' protests that elicit the notion of rebellion, to their promotion of guest speakers who assert Obama is a Muslim, a non-American, a Socialist, or whatever lie sells their books. It's time to stop putting up with Fox News' anti-American hate speech, as well as that echoed by other Corporatist mainstream media organizations.

The right wing conservative Republicans are rejoicing after this incident. Not in public, not on your life, just few little cowardly barbs, just enough to tick people off, maybe set someone off. These people, who truly believe they are just and patriotic, are chomping at the bit and foaming at the mouth in prelude toi anarchy in the USA. They can't wait to blame a black president for it. You people are disgusting.

I find it ironic that Rush and all the other right wing talk show hosts condemn this kind of hateful action from the same sort of individual most likely to be a member of their rabid audience. Yet, they remain innocently removed from guilt when someone acts upon their hateful rants.

Lone Wolf? How much do you wanna bet this guy belongs to hate groups? That's hardly a "Lone Wolf" scenario! Isn't it time the Justice Department infiltrate these groups and keep tabs on them? What about the Janet Napolentano memo about Right Wing-nut Extremist? The leaders of that so called party were up in arms about that memo. Truth hurts I guess. I say we start water boarding domestic terrorist too!

The correct description is not 'Lone Wolf'. 'Rabid Dog' describes the personality and actions more precisely.

In this context we could say that Osama Bin Laden is a "lone wolf". But in reality we ought to view that this act came about as a misguided belief and hatred of those who do not share that belief. This "lone wolf" did not spring forth fully formed from the head Hera, and he certainly is not a loner. Ultra right wing fanatics are easily found as the discussion points out. Their paranoia is in a sense being fueled by the cultural war being played out in this country, this is just a physical manifestation of of it. It is a fine line between talk and action, and the rhetoric of the conservative element has been if nothing else been amp up since the shift in the political center of this nation in the last election. Try buying any ammunition recently? There is a paranoid fear that the "liberals" are going to take away the gun of the people. One more indicator of how polarized these elements are becoming. President Obama asks for open discussion on abortion and we get the killing of a doctor in Kansas. The right wing extremists do not want dialogue, look at the closed minded, revisionist idealogly which currently makes up the GOP. They offer nothing and can not be even said to be loyal opposition. Lone wolf indeed, time to ratchet down the rhetoric,

And we're worried about terrorist coming into our country?
suzanne

Funny how all the left-wing nuts come out at times like this, blaming Limbaugh, etc., for this guy's actions. "Right-wing neo nazi", etc. Do any of those idiots realize that this guy hates Jews, and most right-wingers support Israel? Is the left really that ignorant?

I always find it interesting to see how closely tied white-supremacists are to fundamentalist Christian churches. I think that officials need to take the wool off their eyes and realize where these terrorists are being created and sustained.

I think we need to stop pointing fingers and become more prayerful. We all know that it is hard to change peoples attitudes especially when it has been inbred regardless to what nationality or what race they are. One comment I read was that this man's hostility had grown since Obama became president. Well, so be it , I mean after all Obama is a man like the rest of the men who have held that office. Some have made mistakes and all of them were men that bled if you cut them, and were not infalliable. The only difference in Obama is that the same mistakes that were made by white men since the beginning of this great country is being made by a black man or a mixture of black and white wise up spend more time praying for this country of ours and it's leaders than pointing fingers and cricticising

There really is no legitimate rationale for this conduct. You cannot say "I don't agree with his methods, but I understand his frustration..etc." If you don't like the way the country is going, you are free to engage in intelligent debate and discourse. When the conversation dissolves into hate-filled rhetoric spewed by commentators, and you take no action against that, you are condoning the behavior. In short, to borrow a phrase from the '60s, America-Love It or Leave It.

Why is it that the government has not declared these so called "Christians" who are killing doctors engaged in the LEGAL practice of medicine as terrorists? I haven't seen or heard any of the 21%er's (Republicans) screaming about that. A "Christian" terrorist shot and killed a doctor last week. Where is the right wing outrage at this terroristic act committed in the United States? As to West Virgina...obviously from your post you agree with this lunatic. Why are you hiding behind veiled words and subtle threats. Why not just come out and say it? This man and West Virginia are cowards who have to have someone to blame for his own ineptness. Patriots? Who are you kidding with that clap trap? Ruby Ridge, the FBI went after a crimina who refused to surrender to the proper and lawful authorites. What happened was a completley preventable tragedy. He was another coward who hid behind his family. Sad but true and there is little anyone can do about it. There will always be hate, ignorance, and lack of personal accountability.

There will ALWAYS be people who hate, are allowed to hate and will do heinous things because of their beliefs. It's the cost of living in a free society and I for one an willing to pay that price to keep the freedoms we have.
The real problem is that the powers that be are always spouting off about doing something about it. Well, there are laws already on the books that if enforced would stop a great deal of these things from happening. No one seems to be enforcing these laws though.

This dottering old man traveled clear into the heart of the most surveilled city in the world, past hundreds of guards and cameras, carrying a long gun - and we are expected to believe this wasn't allowed to happen on purpose? Give me a break. Either this was set up, or all the billions of dollars that have been spent on DC security since 9/11 has been totally wasted. Where is the accountability?

Once again we are reminded that the 'White Supremest' provides all of the essential proof necessary to prove the fallacy of white supremacy.

Regarding the NRA and guns. Do you think this delusional man would not have a gun if it were not legal? For better or worse Rob, that genie is long out of the bottle in the US.

"The 'lone wolf' represents the single-most difficult problem for law enforcement."This statement logically can't be correct. Perhaps "most difficult for law enforcement to pre-emptively defend against" as the person doesn't have to communicate with anyone else to carry out their plans.However, a group of people planning and acting in unison are much more effective, and thus would be a more "difficult" problem for law enforcement (much more devastating for sure).

To Rob C.

Your statement about the NRA is absolutely wrong. Yes the NRA has championed gun rights for law abiding citizens but the NRA also has championed common sense gun laws. We do have laws on the books today requiring background checks before purchasing a firearm. Don't blame the NRA for lack of enforcement of the existing gun laws (and no, I am NOT an NRA member).

@Kasado....

Older white males are NOT marginalized, please. As a middle aged white female I can tell you the "good old boys clubs are still going strong. He was a white supremacist and he had a record. Give me a freaking break. It is irresponsible of you to make excuses.

Regardelss of whether or not he is "marginalized" or not, you CANNOT commit murder, there are no excuses.

My prayers go out to the guard's family.

With that said, David, Ian actually brings up a valid point. There have been three domestic terror attacks in the last few weeks: Dr Tiller's murder, the army recruiting station murder, and now this murder. Has the media covered all three to the same degree? No. DId Obama make a statement immediately following all three incidents? No. All three of theses crimes are heinous, yet the media and our President have only decided to give their attention to the incidents involving "right-wing", white males. The President had a chance to mention the murder of the Army Recruiter when he announced the Secretary of the Army, but he didn't. Yet, here he is making another statement about a "right-wing" nut-job. Furthermore, where was the media coverage of and your outrageover the two terrorists who planted c-4 at a synagogue in NY and were going to carry out an attack at a Nat'l Guard station later?

Why is it perfecty acceptable to most of you that Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad is a "lone wolf", yet these two gentlemen who murder the security guard and Dr Tiller are part of a vast army of "right-wing" crazies.

Once you are able to ditch your hypocrisy you will become better people.

Man, do some older folks need a better hobby.
Also, these Hate groups are so stupid, they are like
cartoons come to life, only not funny...just vile.

"Why hasn’t CNN covered the murder of a US Army recruiter by a black muslim with the same rabidness.? Where was the in-depth discussion about “lone wolf’s” after that act of terrorism?"

Quoting for posterity. Because I'd like to know as well. Typical liberal slant though, y'know. No surprise here.

"Kasado June 11th, 2009 11:57 am ET

Did America truly believe that it could just marginalize a huge segment of society (older white males) and there would no repercussions? These same men that helped build this nations great infrastructure are now told that they should just go away and quietly die. Where is the political outcry for their rights?"
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In my honest opinion, if you deny the rights of others, your OWN rights should be denied as well. In fact, maybe the country as a whole should move more toward a "Do Unto Others" approach as opposed to the wholesale allowance to spew hate speech and oppress others to every citizen who would take advantage of it.

The ultra-conservative crowd likes to claim that the United States were founded under "Christian principals and ideals." How much more Christian could "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" get?

- Don't think a certain group of people should be able to marry? You don't get to marry whom you choose, either. That also does away with the idiotic claim that gay marriage would somehow allow for "livestock lovin'."
- Don't think a certain group should be as allowed to freely and openly practice their religion in the States? Guess what... you can't either. Neo-Pagans (Wiccans, Druids, Shamen, etc) are the single most oppressed religions on the planet. This would put an end to that oppression as well, not to mention allowing much-needed respect for Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.
- Think that any given Democrat or Republican is so extreme in their views that they should be put to death? Don't laugh, "Kill Him!" was commonly shouted at McCain/Palin rallies in reference to our now-President. If that's the case, I sure hope you're right with whatever God-figure you follow!

Just imagine - holding people up to the same standards they like to force on others. Poetic Justice? Or would it just be the end to a lot of the problems our country faces today?

This gunman was anti-semitic. Where is the anti-semitism coming from in this country...not the Right, but the Left. The anti-Israel effort is being led by the White House by trying to isolate Israel and appease the muslim countries. The Truth does hurt the Left...everytime.

David, it's because Ian, Vinnie, et al are part of a generation of bitter old hatemongers...er conservatives that are finally dying off. Heck, the only reason we move forward at all is because previous generations die of and/or stop voting.

Marge Writes:

What do they say now….two shootings within a week FROM RIGHT WING HATE GROUPS…..where’s the outrage now.
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Are you kidding me?? Do you have any clue what you are talking about? This man was a nut-job Bush hater that thought the 911 terrorist acts were an inside job! Both of these are representative of the far-left, not the right. Also, the fact that he was linked to White Supremist groups is irrelevant. What about the Black Separatists who preach the eradication of Whites and Jews? What are they? They are certainly not Right Wing.

and...a Islamist terrorist killing American soldiers is actually acting on behalf of a Right Wing Hate Group??? You, and people like you are truly scary. God save our country from sick people of your kind.

It's almost comical reading some of the comments here. This insane man is a jew hater and 911 truther. This killer has the same hatred as Hitler. Hitler was a facist.... with is extreme left radicalism. When are people going to stop talking right and left and start talking right and wrong.

Anyone blaming Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck... etc. is insane! Do you listen to these guys everyday? This type of violence goes against everything they represent. They have nothing to do with this just like leftists like Olbermann have nothing to do with this.

Get with reality people... when we all starting thinking as Americans and not groups (whites, black, gays, latinos, etc.) maybe we can turn this country around... god knows massive bailouts never will.

The Liberals are right.

Let's make all non-progressive, anti-Obama thought illegal!

Lets start be criminalizing all actions by groups the left thinks are "right-wing" extremists. That's reasonable enough, right? Then we can shut down their websites for promoting violent, anti-social behavior. With warrants, we can plow through their writings and books as well.

Finally, we can do what we really want – go after the commentators. Pull the FCC licenses for Fox and any station that airs Rush – the Fairness Doctrine can help us there.

And soon, we can all have one, glorious State-run media – of course, ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN are already there.

I'm sorry, please explain to me how this man was fueled by Limbaugh, Hannity, etc... You had better be careful of making such accusations without evidence. Emotion-filled, baseless charges are a dangerous precedence to set. Take a look at what happened in Germany in the early Thirties: constant, baseless charges toward such groups as devout Jews, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Communists! The 2nd Amendment was made a part of our Bill of Rights to protect the most unpopular speech. And, I CERTAINLY would not say that these political pundits are unpopular. They are NOT preaching hate! They are preaching a political ideology that is traditional and informed, but it disagrees with the American Left's message – so, it seems they'll try to quiet them (e.g. so-called "Fairness Doctrine") . Be careful where you're going!

Interesting that this sick individual is immediately thought to be a right winger who listens to Rush and believes the conservative philosophies. I've read that this person's blogs actually showed him to hate both President Bushes (senior and junior), and believed that the 9/11 attacks were internally based. That doesn't sound like anything I've heard from any of the conservative broadcasters and bloggers. I think its interesting that he decided to take this action less than a week after President Obama told the Arab world that the actions of Israel in the Palestinian territories were tantamount to the actions of the Nazis in World War II. Maybe he felt justified in attacking the Holocaust museum based on these comments, or the comments that Jeremiah Wright made to the press yesterday.

Hey History Repeats, you are about the most stupid person I have ever read. Hate is generated by the left, hate the rich, hate the jews, hate the achievers. This class based hate is and was the product of the left and only amplified by obama. He compares the jewish settlements to what hitler did to them like its the same thing. The jews are only trying to survive surrounded by enemies and it is their fault that they fight against all odds and still win. If I was like you, I would hopefully have the guts to shoot myself.

There are more right-wingers than you think...

Why does anyone assume he is a 'lone wolf' except for partisan purposes? This needs to be fully investigated: contacts, mentors, funding, affiliations, etc. Don't play it down, study it, analyze it, understand it.

Jarrod – Wrong. Completely.

Concealed weapons are the answer? The citizens were not the slaughtered sheep here. The only casualty was an ARMED security guard. Clearly this proves that having a gun does not make you safe from armed criminals.

It's another case of a convicted felon getting access to guns and killing innocent people. But we'll have to deal with this until we decide that having some common sense restrictions to gun access and closing firearm sales loopholes is not in opposition of the 2nd ammendment.

THANK YOU NRA!

Thank you for keeping our fringe lunatics and convicted felons armed and dangerous!

Why is it that the media doesn't report much about the group of black muslim converts that were planning on attacking synagogs in New York? They were also planing on shooting down an Air force plane. And another black muslim convert shot up an Army recruiting center killing one soldier. I remember hearing the initial stories but not much else. Now when a Christian "radical" kills a late term abortion doctor, or a white supremacist shoots at the holocaust memorial it's all over the news, and they will talk about it for weeks.

I just can't understand why these people are so full of hate. They won the White House and control the Congress. George Bush & Cheney are gone, isn't that everything they've been complaining about?

This is what happens when you have 8 years of fascist rule (Bush/Cheney). I wouldn't be surprised if this "lone wolf" is on the republican payroll. You're going to see more of this. The country is now run by moderates who believe in equal opportunity for all. The "good old boy" club is upset that they no longer have one of their own in office, giving them preferential treatment. Remember, George Bush's grandfather was a Nazi. This guy is a Nazi. Coincidence? I think not.

Some one should look into Ramesses II....He sounds like a racist and like he's about to blow...

I am sorry Ramesses, BUT HOW DO YOU THINK WE GOT HERE???? We IMMIGRATED...Native Americans might go so far as to say we were ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Get off you high horse you racist, why do we have any more right to live here than anyone else? Yes we were born here, but it IMPOSSIBLE to choose your country of birth.

Look at the school shooters, or people who snap and kill their families; "lone wolves" can be anyone, anywhere. People who have anger and resentment issues bottled up and one day act them out. With all of the problems facing us today that can cause anger or fear: unemployment, immigration, war, the mortage and credit issues and recession- of course some people are bound to snap if they feel these issues affect them directly and think they can be attributed to a group of people. The most frightening part is that they're walking the streets, at the mall, or grocery store, you just never know who is a time bomb.

Sounds similiar to the recruiter that was shot couple weeks ago by a Mulim terrorist. Is that also a hate crime? Are we watching them also?
We are always trying to be so politicall correct.

So basically, what you are saying Vinnie is that. . . .

Left Wing extremists treat animals equally and Right Wing extremists treat non-white people like animals.

Interesting fact. And, you say this to defend yourself!! Spoken like a true Republican Racist.

Who knows what lies in the minds of Men?Some are distrubed and there is no way to know or keep them from acts of violence. Personally I think everyone should be allowed to carry a gun,even on planes as it was in the 50's and 60's,we had less problems and violence,for the simple reason,no one started anything,not knowing if the person they were messing with was armed.

I am mortified by the responses to this story. Cinderella? A Cougar? Becuase people are outraged at what occured yesterday we are against old, white men? Has xeonophobia completely replaced common sense?

How can you blame the NRA for this?? This man was a convicted felon. Another event blamed on the republicans. The guy was a nutjob plain and simple.

Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, and the rest of the American taliban have no problem whatsoever with "lone wolves"...their rhetoric inspires these scumbags to do their bidding for them. Just look at some of the posts here, the fundies JUSTIFY this insanity.

Their HATE and glaring HYPOCRISY is reaching fever pitch, folks. Let 'em implode, move to Texas and secede.

This shooter is older than my grandfather; I'm just surprised he could physically carry out the attack at this point in his life.

Remember, not only whites are involved with hate groups. Ever heard of the Black Panthers, Or LaRaza, or the Nation of Islam?

Melissa Writes:
I’m curious. How many members of these hate groups are Republican? I bet the percent is in the high 90’s.
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Be nice to know how many Democrats are in these groups as well. I recall when most all of these "good-Ol'-Boys" were predominately Democrat. Not so long ago...

How many of the "Haters" in the Black Separatist Movement, Weather Underground, Earth Liberation Front, and a host of other radical leftist groups are Democrats? They have all killed and maimed Americans. Why does it matter what Political Party they belong to? Aren’t they all equally deserving of our scorn and the wrath of justice?

Marge, You're right! It's great to see others staying on top of what is really happening in this country!

It's amazing how many of these comments reflect the very hate that is portrayed. This man is obviously insane. It's sad that we loose track of the fact that a man lost his life, but yet we feel compelled to discuss the physical attributes of the commentator. There will always be some people immersed in hate, ignorance and miss-understanding, and this has been true since the dawn of time, but what we can do is educate, demonstrate, and appreciate peace , love and harmony within and without ourselves so that our children may benefit and may survive in a less violent world. All books of spiritual quality and guidance indicate the same thing. We all die by the way we live, regardless of if we think it's right or wrong.

Everyone is now asking if hate groups on the rise. I don't feel that they are. It's more a case of some unstable people just finally reaching the tipping point. They are of course helped along by the blantent reverse racism that is swept under the rug in this country. If the KKK or a neo-nazi party had two members standing outside a polling place it would be highly talked about in the media and possibly investigated by the DOJ. When it's two members of the Black Panthers, it's just a community activist group and all charges are dismissed.

Really tragic stuff. Why not pick a few states – maybe Oklahoma and Texas – or perhaps the entire South – and make them a reservation for hateful, uneducated, stupid people and republicans. They could amass large weapons caches, kill each other over ideological arguments while crying over enbryos and perverting and twisting religion, and make it mandatory to watch Fox news and listen to conservative talk radio. Then, perhaps, the rest of the country can get down to work on conctructive things, like improving education, creating new technologies, and living decent lives. Maybe they could be moved off shore – to Iraq or Noth Korea, for example, where their idiot ideological ideas would find greater resonance.

What treatment options were available to the elderly man before he committed murder? We can call people names as long as we want but if we are going to try to change the level of violence in this country perhaps we should have some non physical means to use before people begin shooting.
As long as we are trying to spend money with large corporations and governmental agencies to end this economic down turn perhaps some of it could go to making treatment available for the mentally ill. Prison is no place to warehouse the mentally ill and the community based treatment of the mentally ill obviously is not working as people are being killed.
If we are going to have people returning from war with post traumatic stress syndrome perhaps we should make help readily available for all of the population and make our towns and cities a safer saner place to live. People might be willing to contact their political representatives and point this out to them and try to stop more attacks from occurring.

What surprises me is that he is a World War II veteran who believes the Holocaust never happened. If there's any group of veterans who should be the least about denial and the most about acceptance of other people, I would think it would be WWII veterans.

As much as I don't care for right wing talk radio..it all sounds a like to me a bunch of angry white males crying about Obama all day, I don't that it's fair to blame them for the things that have happened the past two weeks. Each one of these accused shooters had their own agenda and I don't recall hearing Rush or Sean tell people to go out and kill folks that don't agree with them.

What I DO find troubling is that I doubt if any one of these right wing talk show host will come out and not condone such actions. They are quick to cry racist on Judge Sotomeyer so why not hold a forum about this type of behavior that really IS racist? They won't because it will alienate part of their audience that's why. I don't think these extremist spend a lot of their free time listening to Keith, Rachel, and Ed that's for sure.

Look at the first two comments made in this thread. Discussing and judging the physical attractiveness of Ms. Townsend was the predomintate thought for at least two individuals after they read this article. Not that this was a tragedy, no comments regarding free speech, rights to bear arms, racism, oppression of groups, empathy for the vicimts, etc. Instead they perpetuate the objectification of women and sexism.
No, they read about the hate filled murder of a man and they think about sex. Is this part of the problem?

"Good Morning Cinderella:

Ms. Townsend is very attractive. Is she a democrat?

Cheers,
Fred"

What the? This is what people do in the morning? They check out people? LOL!! Hilarious...and I came here to give out my comment quick, sweet!

You know guys, I think is very difficult, I don't wanna brag or anything but even I went as far before. Oh yeah, while everybody was talking about the detainees and didn't want em in people's backyard, I was the one talking about that is too late, they are already here. While they are freaking out, little that people know it is common. I ain't gonna lie but i was watching Campbell yesterday and I was offended having a constitution lawyer and a conservative give their points which I was confuse cause we conservatives believe in our constitution, so yeah, I'm with the Constitution, is our free-will. Just because we have a black president don't mean we gotta look at things differently, this has been going on is just that you damn people think is a joke, it ain't no joke. And I was offended, we can't flip-flop, let alone we have plenty of times but when it comes to tragic, people listen and since it was at the Holocaust memorial, people wanna listen but don't wanna listen back then? We can't have it both ways, we conservatives can't have it like that, we don't believe in that. And quite frankly, I'm offended of that, I am. And when I hear that the officer opened the door, I ain't offended anymore, I am damn ticked.

I'm with the constitution and guess what guys? This is our country, don't act like is something new, don't act like that. I ain't gonna say is right or wrong but I am gonna say we can't be hypocrites, don't matter who you side with or not. It ain't no joke, it ain't right. My problem is not whether people understand, but if people really get what's going on, you have no idea.

You can only do so much with this and you know me guys, I've talked about it for months, heck, even last year. We ain't right, the numbers are showing it, it ain't good. I've talked about this many, many times, I don't know why people care now than ever before, cause I am very offended by it. Not by my boy, not him, oh no, it ain't his fault. I do what I gotta do but even I question T.V and people if they know what they are talking about...

We just gotta do what we know best, just get ready cause even I feel responsible for it and that's crazy talk.

David – Ian is right on. Why are you libs so anxious to only report on domestic terrorists that are non-islamic, or non-minority, or dare I say it, white?? Possibley because you cannot connect these types to conservatives? Do think only white people are conservative? WE jsut want ALL the news to be reported fairly.

I agree with Jarrod that conceiled-carry permits should be much more common – citizens have a much better record than police of defeating criminals with handguns (cops seem to confuse their badge with a marksmanship medal and don't practice enough to hit what they want). Great respect to the security guards who stopped this guy but if they'd failed no one else in that building could have done much against an armed criminal. And Rob C. obviously knows nothing about the gun laws we already have – convicted felons are already prohibited from owning firearms. How did this guy get the rifle? He could not have bought it legally but regardless, how is the firearm he used any more evil than those used to stop him? Both weapons killed people...

anyone defending the act of terrorists on this blog could be the next lone wolf..... kasado??

Buckwheat- "Our streets are full of extremist in the inner cities but no one talks about it."

What inner city extremism are you referring to? The angst of poverty or rage against systemic racism? Redlining of real estate districts, minorities given higher interest rates-and mortgage fees? Whites declining to hire Blacks "not enough experience", or constantly giving raises to whites with less ability or fewer on the job accomplishments? The extremism I see is that of white racism against people of color.
Now you are feeling uncomfortable with the thought of being a minority in your own country- poor baby, WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!

This is the type of f the barbaric nature nature of these people they have demonstrated for hundreds of years. Control freaks who think they rule the world. Uncivilized, wild, crude, savage control by a demonic mind. They think they can do this and get away with it or try to play crazy afterward.

One man shoots another, and for this we need to have a national debate? Give me a break.

No gun laws would have stopped the shooter. The only thing that did was other men with guns.

When he recovers a bit, maybe he can tell us whether it was Rush, Boehner, Michael Savage, Gingrich, or Cheney that sent him over the edge. Was he driven mad by lunatic, racist rhetoric, inflamed by rumors of impending financial doom, or just enraged by his bad haircut? My guess is the Viagra stopped working, but we may never know . . . or care.

"The only casualty was an ARMED security guard. Clearly this proves that having a gun does not make you safe from armed criminals."

And likewise this only proves that "armed" security and law enforcement have no more special place in society than your average citizen. They are not in a category above the average citizen, there is no more guarantee of their qualification over the average civilian to carry firearms, thus the average citizen has just as equal right to arm themselves and protect themselves. Thanks for giving us a clearer picture of why the 2nd Amendment should guarantee ALL our right to keep and bare arms.

Bman has immediately tried to draw a line between this outrageous crime to ....republicans....to CHURCH? This is outrageous stereotyping!

I have spent my life in and around churches and I have NEVER met a single person that would ever condone this behavior.. I am sooooo sick of hearing people ASSUME that everyone who goes to church is republican and in favor of violent, hateful acts! In fact, in my experience, churches are often split right down the center (demo./rep).

This kind of stereotyping is what was happening (to muslims) directly after Sept. 11th. It is as outrageous today as it was then!

Hey Ian CNN did cover and Bill O apologized for getting it wrong. Now ask yourself why FOX didn't cover the survivors presser the other day.

Regarding the issue at hand...

This guy is far from being a “lone Wolf” Simply acting on his own, initiative does not make him a lone wolf. The Unabomber is a great example of a lone wolf. He lived in his own little world, while yesterday’s shooter was operating within the framework of a number of hate group sites. The fact that he planned this on his own (we are assuming that right now) did not make him invisible, he was there, the warning signs were there, but nothing can be done except observe him until he actually breaks the law, unfortunately he broke it in a huge way.

Marge what do you call the muslim that shot that young man at the recruiting office. Is he left wing or right wing? Or how about that person who killed the abortion doctor? Now how about the old man at the Holocaust Memorial? They are all domestic terrorists. I don't care which "side" they are on.
Rob C where are you from? They do background where I am from. They didn't start doing mental health checks until after Virginia Tech. Idiot learn the facts before spewing stupidity.
Bman lets see....I know a lot of Democrats that go to church. So are they terrorists too?

It looks like there's a movement afoot to villify all Republicans. Before you know it, Congress will pass a bill outlawing the multi-party system and making it a criminal offense to refuse membership in the Democratic party. I suppose it's just a short jump from there to nationalizing all industry and farming and issuing five-year plans. That's progress, comrade!

Obviously stupidity is not confined to one political ideology or another...

In reference to the shooting at the Holocaust Museum I have not heard where any one has said if the shooter had the rifle concealed or in the open as he approached the museum, only that the shooter raised the rifle as the security guard opened the door. I would find it hard to believe that a guard would let anyone approach the museum with a rifle visible to everyone, however, there is no commentary that the rifle was hidden. Does anyone know?

A "white separatist" named John de Nugent is quoted saying that acts like the museum shooting make his types of groups "look bad."

How does being part of a backwards-thinking, hate-driven movement not already make you "look bad?"

Too bad all the leftists followers don't understand that hatred is owned on the left...... The left starts it, thrives on it, owns it.

It strikes me that this is neither an attack by a right-wing extremist or a lone wolf. This is an attack based on the cold, hardened heart of someone who never learned that most important of lines that our constitution makes so clear... "All men are created equal..."

Maybe not equal in ability or intelligence, but equal in their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Both sides screaming that this attack is somehow the symbol of something more than a cold-blooded murderer. We do not attach political parties to someone who knocks over a gas station. Neither should we in this case. Not because the politics don't matter - they do. But to suggest this man is somehow representative of some group is blatantly wrong.

He is a white-supremacist, but those are his views, not the views of all right-wingers. Just as many Muslims want only to live in peace and earn their livings, but are shouldered with somehow being affiliated with Osama Bin Laden.

This act, gruesome and disgusting as it is, is not an act by someone who represents anyone but himself. An old racist bastard who took from us a fellow countryman.

Instead of worrying so much about the murderer, let us instead send out our grief at the tragic loss of one our own– the guard who gave his life. Let us honor him, instead of splashing the murderer's name across the country. Let the nation bow their heads in remembrance for the man who gave his life in the line of duty. Let us honor our American hero. Let his murderer's name die into the unknown.

Mike above.... perfect comments. Perhaps the Presidents Jew hating background and his rhetoric about the jews is not helpful... He should learn to tone it down a tad... The sick loser that shot the guy was a Democrat.

As for the right and left debate, he is really neither. Not as far as the American political system is concerned, although both will be pointing fingers. Hate is hate, period. It doesn't matter if you hate white anglo saxon protestants or blacks and jews. It is all the same. Both republicans and democrats think this guy was a member of the opposite party. Hate and polotics meet at extemism and most democrats and republicans do not believe in extremism.

These hate groups have similar beliefs when it comes to the Constitution as the Ultra Constitutionalist of Limbough, O'Riley, and Pat Roberts, or Sam Brownback. Don't mistake my words. The hate groups like this 88 year old is a member of are not the same as Roberts, and Limbough and the likes. Just simply, they share the ideas of sovereignty and low level federal control over states'. Still, Limbough, O'Riley, Roberts benefit from stirring the pot because they know that is where the wackos live and reside in their social clubs and the more they get them to "go postal", the more they can blame the Federal Government is the root of all evil. Don't forget, Regan was in office when several domestic terrorist groups announced their existence. Nazi's, KKK, Posse Com, and Operation Rescue could care less if you are Republican or Democrat. They all want one thing. To be the boss and supreme ruler over the masses. Women will be in their 17th century roles, children will work 16 hours in poor environments, and men not living their lives as the leaders believe will be sent to labor camps or worse.

88 years of being filled with hate. 88 years of loss to the experience and freedom of love. He is free now, – if he passes on, does not sound like a fellow who has learned very much. Sad. So much energy is devoted to the corralling of the knowledge and whereabouts and activities of people predisposed as he has been. Such a waste of time and money. Does hate solve anything? Has it brought joy?
Forget the pundits and their voices, for theirs is a province insured by the attendance of any of us to any of them. They depend upon our attentions in order to continue to have a job. Disregard them as they do not come from a place of love or healing. Let it go, as even in these blogs so many are still attacking each other, effectively keeping the simmering going. Live and let live. life is obviously way too short.
'There will be peace on earth when people love their children more than they hate each other', & ' There will be good will towards man when man wills good'.

Unbelievable. The "conservatives" are so anxious to not be grouped with these killers that almost any argument will do. Comparing murder to Carrie Prejean losing her crown...that's a sure winner for getting back the likes of my parents who voted Dem for the first time ever.

O'Reilly covers Dr. Tiller, riling up the base until he gets assassinated, Limbaugh calls our President "a threat" and a traitor, and noone on the right says that these "Voices of Conservatism" ever go to far. Vinnie, here on this thread says it's not fair to associate his conservatism with murders while telling someone with whom he disagrees to "take a long walk off a short pier." That's discourse on The Right, if you don't agree with them you are either a traitor or "fair game." It's called terrorism folks, and it's hateful and criminal and destroying our country from within.

You Democrats crack me up. If this guy is a Right Winger, then so is Obama's preacher, Rev. Wright; anyone that thinks 911 was a inside job; anyone that blames Corporate America for the problems we have now, etc.

Wright said he can't talk to Obama because the Jew's would not let him. von Brunn blames the Jews for stupid things as well, but also hated both Bushes, blamed corporate America for all the financial problems he was having. He blamed Bush for 911 and said it was a inside job. What party does that sound like?

If you guys would actually open your eyes and stop being the little sheep that you are. You would see that you're being lied to.

I know that it's sick to read the thoughts of von Brunn, it personally makes sick to my stomach. But...you have to read them for yourself because you'll never get the true answer unti you do.

If anything von Brunn had Democrat views.

I wrote to CNN yesterday about the sort of comments they are receiving on these sorts of articles. The acts of these sad criminals in the past week are not representative of the left or right, but somehow they are generating even more hate. We simply have to stop saying and believing that people who essentially differ on one thing – whether government is the problem or the answer – are somehow morally inferior. We all need to stand together against anyone. As to the poster who thinks conservatives are rejoicing in this, that's as absurd as saying the Rev. Wright would also be rejoicing based on his comments yesterday.

test comment. the left already won everything and are in control, why are they still so upset? Jealousy can be a powerful emotion.

Now will see if this opion that is different than that of the media will be posted.

Hello moderator

For all of you people who think that because right-wingers support Israel, they can't be anti-semitic, think again. Fundamentalist Christians are right-wing and support Israel, but only for their own benefit. One word – Apocalyse. They have to befriend Israel, or God will destroy them, according to the book of Revelation, which they take literally. This is the spark that ignited Zionism. But, you will be hard-pressed to find a group of people more anti-semitic than right-wing fundamentalist Christians. Jew-jokes fly around in these churches as much as Bible quotes. They openly mock Rabbis from their pulpits and are never open to discussion with any of their Jewish counterparts. Apparently, they missed the Bible verse that says "God looketh on the heart". Surely God will see their fake exterior and the true hatred in their hearts.

Is it fair to blame mainstream conservatism for the action of this guy? No, the far right is something different from conservatism. On the other hand, as a political tactic, conservatives have been striving to blur/obliterate the distinction between liberal and far left for years. For example, in "Ann Coulter World" the Clintons, Barack Obama, Leon Trotsky, Ramsey Clark, Matt Lauer, and Karl Marx are all part of a cabal known as (cue the scary music) THE LEFT. Or, recall the ignorant rhetoric about Marxism during the 08 campaign– mindlessly repeated by an army of folks who had never read of word of Marx (or much of anything for that matter).
As tempting as it is to respond in kind, maybe this is an occasion where we could elevate the debate.

townsend you are a total hack, you have no idea wht you are talking about, its simple.

he was a felon he should not have had a gun, end of sentence.. simple as that, just because your agency can't do its job stop with the whole "this is harder than it seems" routine. you didn't do your job. simple as that. admit mistake and deal with it, you knew if this guy but did nothing.

sounds like a left-wing nut job to me.

Corey, of course we're judging her attractiveness. That's what humans do. We copulate, kill and eat.

We're not so evolved, man. Simians looking to pass on life. Pretty simple.

ooo-ooo-ahhh-ahhhh. (<-- ape noises)

A simple, honest question here that I've been curious about for a while.
This man obviously committed murder. It will be extremely easy to prove and (being naive here) it should take no more than an hour for the trial & conviction. Assuming justice is done (sorry being naive again), this man will at least get life in prison and hopefully the electric chair.
So my question is ... what additional legal penalty does charging this man with a hate-crime impose? Will he get a more severe penaly? If not ... why bother? Don't get me wrong, I'm not against charging him with such (unless it means additional tax-payer money), but other than making a blatantly self-evident political statement ("this man hated the XYZ race and thus committed murder") ... what is the beneficial purpose of "hate crime" legislation?

wiscon: you sound like a center-wing nut job to me. wait, or right-wing nut job, or left-wing nut job.

either way wtf does "wiscon" mean? Is that a diminutive for "Wisconsin"?

Dude, sorry. I don't mean to take it out on you. I've had a long day and all I want when I get home from work is a hot dinner and a clean house. Is that too much to ask? Listen if you don't want to be married to me then maybe we should think about a trial separation. You're just not the same "wiscon" that I fell in love with at the tender age of 32.

I miss us.
xoxoxoxo

I am a U.S. Army soldier veteran to Operation Enduring Freedom and a 30year old man that has been hard at work since I was 17 years old. This killer of security gaurds is not only a sorry sack but an example of an animal that despite his training of 88years still lacks the ability to be a grown man and hold the responsibility to be a grown human being among our people. He should be judged for his actions formally and then discarded. Understand ladies and gentilman that a Lone Wolf is of course a metaphore. These lone wolfs have a lot of time on thier hands to stew about thier grievenses. They dont have the ability to fly fish or enjoy something spiritually uplifting and probably lack the heart required to enjoy raising thier children and fixing thier wives car. A lone wolf is not a wolf, real wolves are in packs and are not racist they dont run off cliffs when they are depressed. Lone wolfs are not men, they are not women, they are accidents caused by the overall nature of humanity. We must seek them out and judge them and seek a punishment for them that will benefit us all.

It is a simple thing to kill another. Its not an action that requires and skill. Children do it by accident without firearms. Dont overthink this
to do so will add to complacentcy

This 'lone wolf' talk is horribly misleading. This violence is systematic. This is terrorism and it's absolutely despicable that CNN is too racist to call it that (yeah, white people are terrorists too).

I say we waterboard the leaders of Operation Rescue and any White Supremacist group to get to the bottom of this.

All of you people are disgusting! Left blaming right – right blaming left...
There is NO CONSPIRACY here!!!! A deranged Idiot decided to get everyone upset by commiting a crime – and he did. End of story.
"Build a bridge – and GET OVER IT." The longer we talk about it and mull it over and fight about it – the more idiots like him will be apt to try the same thing.

Lets start moving forward rather than back.
Dont give this any more press. Its not worth making him a celebrity.

No David...i was not using black muslim in Ark as straw man....just pointing out that both he and this white nutcase should both be executed....and quickly. No double standard. But the press buries the lead when the killer is a black muslim while I will need to see this Holocaust murderer on my TV for the next week.
Glad to see how open-minded you are....I post a comment that you disagree with and you immeditely think the FBI should start tapping my phone.....typical liberal free speech....free as long as you agree with it.

Assuming 88-Year Old James Von Brunn is brought to trial and convicted on the most severe of federal murder charges, I do NOT agree that he should be sentenced to death...NO !! Not at all...Instead, I believe they should send this piece of 'human feces' to Auschwitz in Poland and let him live out his remaining days under the same set of circumstances and conditions that many of my deceased family members, may they all rest in eternal, heavenly peace, had to endure while they were being tortured and annihilated under the facist dictatorship of the most EVIL third reich.

That's correct – I am a PROUD AMERICAN-BORN JEW and a second generation member to two survivors of the Holocaust. When is the USA going to adopt the same law as is currently established across most, if not all, European nations – Making it a severe criminal offense to deny the Holocaust? You have to be completely BLIND and INSANE to deny what happened under the most EVIL third reich !!

"As to left wing hate groups, they were out for Carrie Prejean’s scalp for a politically correct answer to a loaded question."

I beg to differ. First of all, I don't know anyone who bothered to "hate" this idiot Prejean. She's pathetic.

Secondly, this should be blindingly obvious. NO ONE SHOT A GUN AT HER! Idiot.

Trying to draw some moral equivalence between some pathetic clown of a beauty contestant losing her job because she would not show up to work, and the murder of two innocent people by right wing domestic terrorists is exactly the kind of sillyness that makes people like me laugh at the right.

It ain't the same thing, with all due respect. Prejean and two people murdered is not a moral equivalence.

I'm surprised I have to explain this, but then again, we are taking about right wingers who still probly think Iraq had WMD and Nixon was innocent.

Ask yourself does everyone who protested the War/Gitmo, called the US torturers or spoke out against Israel in favor of the Palestinians have Pvt. Andrews blood on their hands???

And the other Black Muslims who planned to blow up synagogues and use Stinger missiles to bring down military planes in NY are NOT Republicans my friends.

Nor is Rev Wright.

Read some the liberal posts and there is a lot of hate against Israel and our Military.
Are CNN, MSNBC, Huffington and even Obama all responsible???

It is crazy to politicize this kind of tragedy.

Ask yourself does everyone who, protested the War/Gitmo, called the US torturers or spoke out against Israel in favor of the Palestinians have Pvt. Andrews blood on their hands???

And the other Black Muslims who planned to blow up synagogues and use Stinger missiles to bring down military planes in NY are NOT Republicans my friends.

Nor is Rev Wright.

Read some the liberal posts and there is a lot of hate against Israel.
Are CNN, MSNBC, Huffington and even Obama all responsible???

It is crazy to politicize this kind of tragedy.

To Mark L. I agree with you whole heartedly

"'Lone Wolf' Most difficult threat to fight"? - This is the impression that many on the Right would like for America to "buy" into.

The truth is that these "lone wolfs" are like caged lions taunted and fed red meat by the Right-Wing extremist media and hate mongering right-wing organizations.

First of all, Marge, he's not a 'Right Wing' extremist! He followed Hitler's ideations and Hitler was a SOCIALIST, just like your beloved Obama! Get your facts straight!

Where was the outrage, action, flag at half staff, and media coverage when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (a black muslim extremist) shot William Long (a white American soldier)?! Apparently it's only considered a hate crime, or racist, for a white supremacist to shoot a black security guard! A hate crime is a hate crime and they should be treated with the same outrage and recourse regardless of who did the crime!

You people on the left aught to be ashamed of what you've done to this country, and when you meet God, I hope He tells you the same thing!!

all of you who rank us as right wing radicals should just look in your
own backyards ,rev wright hates the jews who my guess is about 98% white( mellissa) ,so i guess all of you hate us too ,when did we stop being americans This guy is no different than anyone else when it comes to murder.....so i guess that black muslum who killed in arkansas is a democrat left wing or right wing and hates white people also!!! stop this nonsense it complete insanity.
we can make this into anything we want it to be ... but to blame republicans shows more ignorance and injustice for all of us.

I don't totaly understand why the anti-semite is considered a Right-wing extremist. Isn't he just an anti-semite extremist?

Same for the abortion doctor killer? Being against late term abortions isn't just right wing, but also many moderate and left wing people who support woman's right to choose also support a ban on late term abortions.

Why isn't this killer just labeled an anti-abortion extremist? Does it really matter if some nutty organizations voice misguided approval?

What is the measuring stick for labeling someone right wing or left wing?

If religion or idealogy is the measuring stick, then why aren't muslim terrorists labeled Right wing extremists?

And would a left wing extremist be someone who has no ideology or religious belief?

Isn't a terrorist or a fanatic just an individual extremist?

The "lone wolf" is certainly a difficult threat to counter. But it's particularly difficult to deal with when it's easy for convicted felons or those with mental disorders serious enough to require hospitalization (VA Tech) to get their hands on weapons and ammunition. A simple intervention at the time of the weapons purchases might have prevented the VA Tech tragedy. It might have been more difficult to keep guns away from von Brunn, given who he likely associated with. But, perhaps someone should be looking into when and how he acquired his weapon(s). That person or persons are an accessory.

A hate filled armed man with radical ideology walks into a building that he believes represents an opposing radical (accepted) ideology and kills one of its armed believers (thought innocent). Why is this incident called murder, but if done on a large scale it is called politically sanctioned war?

Someone answer me this: Why is this 88-year old white supremacist being kept alive in a medical facility? You think he can be rehabilitated through incarceration? You think he has a viable defense? Is he insane? Can he get off the hook?

Negative.

Pull the plug and rid the world of this pure unadulterated evil.

I see lots of talk about this person possessing a gun and saying we need more laws. Does anyone seriously think he would pay any attention to "more laws" He was/is a criminal. He has many friends that could and probably did supply his firearms.
Then there are those that say the guard had a gun and it didn't help him to be armed. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't expecting an old geezer that he opened the door for to pull a gun and shoot him. BUT having a gun allowed the remaining guards to stop the perp from doing any further damage to other persons.
Armed guards and persons with concealed weapons permits undergo a lot of training and under most circumstances are a definite advantage in the protection to life and limb.

Lone wolf my ass, there are hundreds of thousands of these nut cases out there being fueled by the likes of Rush, Hanity, Oreilly, Fox in general, etc. Two in a week, probably more of these right wing republican nuts to come, good job Bush, Rove, Cheney etc. for setting this train on the tracks.

This man is not a lone wolf. His actions have been given the tacit approval of white Christian America for decades. Brunn and Roeder, these are the faces of white Christian America.

I do hope all hate crime criminals be charged as terrorist, in fact they create more terror than religious terrorists caused they live near us every day!!!

History Repeats----both parties are one and the same, knocking the beach ball back and forth, the old divide and conquer

Fact is, Limbaugh is a liberal through and through, all politicians are and most people are in the personal lives. This tendency to lie about who and what we are stems from the internal calculation of being admired by others for having the Morale High road.

a few thoughts. Mark L., as much as holocost denial is dangerious and painful my answer to your question is NEVER. One of the things I think the europeons got wrong is the idea the personal liberty belongs to the government to dole out, rather than to the people to keep. Part of what makes America great is that we can freely discuss anything, without fear of arrest or supression. The price of holocaust denail should be the resounding ridicule of the masses, and nothing more.

I hate, as a liberal dem, to get all NRA on you folks, but I agree with some other posters, the answer to defending against these lone killers is shoot first. So folks, get a permit, get a gun and PRACTICE (it would be a shame to go to prison over a wild shot). What do we do when a lone hate monger opens fire? Shoot him.

This man was no "LONE WOLF"! Stop with the Guilt & Shame. It's time to look in the MIRROR! Kiran for one continued to report on the new President as Barak Obama for weeks instead of Mr. President, the President, or even President Obama. Something just wouldn't let her do it. What was that about? How many hits did this guy's website get? Who published his book? Why are so-called good men like John McCain so quiet? I just wish the Right Wing would relinquish this so-called relationship with God. Your rhetoric and your actions leave much to ponder. There's nothing God-like about extreme Republican views at this point. Most American terrorist look just like this guy! Young or old they all seem to have the same "M.O." Just in case you didn't know it Kiran, there are still people alive today who participated in Lynchings. So NAIVE!

Lets watch the liberal media get in an uproar over one homicide which, while a tragedy, represents the death toll on a slow weeknight in every heavily democrat, overwhelmingly Obama supporting, inner city in this nation.

Perspective, people. The real threat is the massive slaughter brought on by failed liberal policies over the past 50 years, not some wacked out loser like this guy.

"The real threat is the massive slaughter brought on by failed liberal policies over the past 50 years, not some wacked out loser like this guy."

Amen brother, that Bush was a total liberal warmonger! Good riddance! I remember all the people who died under that right-wing sh*tbag Clinton.

Thanks for spittin the truth about the inner city, dawg! One day we'll crawl our way back to power.

God, I love to hate!

Sadly we live in a free society which brings with it all the wonderful things it does as well as all the terrible things it does. We are all free to go about our personal business, speak our minds (here for instance), be secure in our possessions, etc. etc. Those same freedoms however also allow people to engage in hateful speech and activities, they allow "known criminals" the protection of law which occasionally allows them to continue their criminal activities.

The only way to "stop" these random shootings and acts of violence, as well as hate speech and other negative elements of human nature, is to begin to control our free society. I personally don't want that. I don't want my personal freedoms limited in the name of security. I would much rather be free to do, think and speak as I do and risk being killed than to live "safe" but completely "clamped down" by a police state as they have in North Korea or other fascist or totalitarian countries.

The more free we are, the more "at risk" we are. The less free we are, the less at risk we are. To paraphrase what Benjamin Franklin once said, Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. The one "true answer" lies in doing our personal best to not hate, to not blame. First comes the blame, then comes the hate, then comes the violence. We may never "fix" the dark sides of human nature, but we can make efforts to do our best. And if most people are doing their best our society will be safer eventually without losing any freedoms.

We must pray for the family of the security officer. We must also pray for the people who are hating. Hate is evil, so evil the action word of hate.

Please, if you know someone who is hating; ask God to reveal to you how to erase the hate in love. Love is the only thing that will erase the hate. Trust, this may sound elementary to some, but love is a command from God. Love, Love, and Love.

I just wanted to make one correction in my previous remarks:

Hate is evil, so evil is the action word of hate.

For those comments regarding the NRA arming this man.

Without a doubt this man violated at least two and probably more existing gun laws. He is a convicted felon that served time and is forbade from owning a weapon. He has undergone psychological testing and in all likelihood was determined to be a threat.

So, in spite of laws, he has a gun. Probably obtained through illegal means such as bought off the street corner from another felon that stole it during a gun store robbery or home robbery. Had he undergone the FBI background check before buying the gun he would not have been granted ownership because of his conviction, We would never know he was a "nut case" because the "progressive" sector has determined his "medical and psychological" history privacy is more important than making sure a nut doesn't buy a gun.

The bottomline is that unless you enforce existing laws making new ones will make no difference. Understanding that the safety of the "many" is more important than the "privacy" of the nut case is another needed improvement.

The gun was just a tool that a psychologically and mentally ill man used to commit a crime. Now let's go find out where he got the gun and arrest those responsible and charge them with accessory to murder and put them in jail. Then let's fight the ACLU and get FBI access to an individual's health history so we can stop nuts like this guy and the young man a Virginia Tech from buying/obtaining guns.

Not more law, just enforce the one's we have.

Ramesses II

you know what man i dont care what war you were in and i dont care how much you say "i dont condone this type of violence, BUT..." its that BUT that shows what you really mean. you might not go around shooting people but that fact that you think its the illegal immigrants fault that people are arming themselves and shooting other AMERICANS...let me say again A M E R I C A N S, it shows your ignorance. your indifference and your acceptance of this ANTI-AMERICAN behavior. the statue of liberty didnt just open its arms to people BORN on american soil. if that was the case you wouldnt LIVE HERE!!! you miss the message and the fact that you were in the military should prove that just because somebody was in the army does not mean they have any more credibilty then any other citizen.

First of all, Marge, he’s not a ‘Right Wing’ extremist! He followed Hitler’s ideations and Hitler was a SOCIALIST, just like your beloved Obama! Get your facts straight
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Gayl.... all you've demonstrated is that the word "socialist" is now officially meaningless.

Kasado

ARE YOU KIDDING!>?!? the "great white men" that helped build this nation?! please tell me you are not that ignorant. are you equating ANY of the men that revolted against the british to this piece of WHITE TRASH that attacked the holocaust museum?? these "repercussions" are being done by COWARDS! im sure this scumbacg thought he would kill a bunch of jewish people but he didnt expect the security guards to be packing. these pathetic individuals (including the muslim that shot the soldier) are weak minded FOOLS that attack unsuspecting innocent, unarmed people. you see its these SAME idiots that are advocated the 2nd ammendment and are so scared that their guns will be taken away that are shooting at unarmed people like the cowards THEY ALL ARE!!! thomas jefferson was one our greatest founders and he was a liberal that was against a standing army. he was an atheist. he was nothing like this pathetic old man and i am 100% sure he was nothing like you either! god you people are just OUT OF YOUR MINDS!

Gayle!! Hitler was a Socialist???? This is a total misreading of history. He was a fascist. What's more, fascism is diametrically opposed to communism; they're at the opposite ends of the political spectrum. Yes, the name of Hitler's party was the National Socialist Party; however, Hitler was profoundly anti-socialist/communist. In fact, in his efforts to eradicate the communists from his midst, he endeavored to construct socialism as a Jewish plot/conspiracy since Marx was a Jew. And in France, the Communist Party was profoundly anti-Hitler. Next you'll be telling me that Stalin was a communist.

Vinnie

are the left wings blowing up animal research centers? even if they were though it would defintely be a "conservative" that would try and compare that to a white supremisit killing a security guard or a religious nutjob killing an abortion doctor or a muslim shooting a recruitment soldier.....yes the muslim that shot up the soldier is RIGHT WING...you people dont understand that you are just like the taliban and if you could you would re-create america as a theocracy.....i guess you couldnt think of anything actually damaging to society that the left wing does so you come up with "blowing up animal testing facilities" if thats the best you can do then YES we can lump all the hate-groups WITH the right wing and WITH the SO CALLED conservatives!

Tony, if I may correct you...Hitler was not a socialist, but rather a FACIST dictator...There is a difference...

tony

o my god only people like you would think SOCIALISM is NOT right wing. SOCIALISM is a form of economics it has nothing to do with right or left wing. RIGHT WING is an absolutist view. LEFT WING is a relative view. hitler's view on jews and the german people were ABSOLUTE. it was his way or the highway. he was uncompromising. the nazis were RIGHT WING! if you dont know that then you need to sit in a library for a few weeks. and SOCIALISM is not communism. SOCIALISM is the same system that pays for the post office, public parks, policemen, fireman, libraries etc... you live in a socialistic society and you dont even know it. because you dont care about whats real and whats not real you care about what fox news wants you to care about.

Gordon

my god your analogies are HORRIBLE. how is the left wing like iran or the taliban?? because a gay judge didnt like the miss USA's statement about gay marriage? god you right-wingers really reach when you try and put down the left. your not even close! right-wingers ARE KILLING PEOPLE!!! HELLLLLOOOOO!?!? ANYBODY HOME?!?!

Peace is Still

cant we love without GOD? maybe kids should be brought up with the thought that LOVE comes from them and not god and maybe it would be easier for them to do! how can you say that love doesnt come from HUMANS and then say we should all love??

Please get it right people: Hitler was way right, Stalin was way left. We don't ever want to go that far in either direction. Saying Hitler was a leftist or that Communists are Republican is crazy talk.

Scott

MY GOD MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ARE RIGHT WING!! they just arent CHRISTIAN right wing!! wake up!! you right-wingers are the CAUSE of the violence you cannot blame us. learn what right-wing is. just because its a muslim doesnt mean its left wing. what is wrong with ALL of you!?

Ray, Yes I am drawing a direct line to this outragous incident and Churchgoers, If you support your local church you are supporting terrorism. I'll go farther I suggest that people stop attending their local church, or better yet form a picket line around it.

Ralph, Yes, Democrats who go to church are also supporting terrorism.

Ladies/Gentlemen,

I am in yuma Arizona and I am also 1/2 german on my Mother's side of the family. I understand the misguided demented white supremacy neo-nazi groups going after blacks, espanics and other non white groups...

But there is 1 Question neither of these groups have a answer to,
The hollicost was durning world war II. " WHY call it a hoax or say it never happened when the survivors of that time are tattooed marked live with those memories "
By saying it did not happen or the attacks comments just anker it deeper into the people's minds. Here is a simple solution to these groups, " If you are so unhappy with the USA. why not create your own narrow minded country and LEAVE..." Th day our for father's came here to this country, some had taken locals as wives bed partners or taken land that did not belong to them.....

FOOD FOR THOUGHT before opening your mouth

Mr. Mole

I was just wondering where the data was for the UNCOUNTED crimes that are blacks on whites?

If you want a deeper understanding of whether this actually exists just take your average white man and have him try to walk down the street in Cabrini Greens or Stockton or anywhere in Oakland, North Las Vegas Nevada, SE Portland OR, Watts, Queens, just about anywhere in Chicago- basically anywhere "gangbangers" congregate.

I know its not fair to call racially motivated crimes by blacks on whites as hate-based or "Domestic Terrorism" because, apparently, only whites can be racist.

I'm probably going to be labeled a racist just for this post.

This was tragic, but within a few blocks on that day there were probably a couple of murders, a few rapes and countless robberies and assaults. This was an isolated incident by a cranky old man. We should be looking into and solving the violent chaos that goes on day after day in D.C.'s ghettos.

sguild

because the left does not agree with what israel has been doing does not mean they are anti-semites you moron. the whole situation of israel is a little shaky how can we support one side 100% with no questions asked. its almost blasphemous to question the state of israel. i think thats wrong. anti-semitism is hating jews. do you know how to read? ok then go read a book and figure things out BEFORE you start posting!

the villification of 'lone wolf' is a serious threat to liberty.

this means you need others to vouch for you or you are guilty before proven innocent. this does not place innocence within grasp of individual, individual is dependent on external sources for basic rights.

wow I can't believe after reading some of the threads here that some of you are using this situation to promote a political agenda. We have a man with an 11 yr old son DEAD at the hands of a man he opened the door for. And some of you are blaming the Obama administration for it? Even if you don't like nor support the president what does that have to do with this shooting? Then again there are some that don't even know what right wing nor left wing idealogy is. Too busy pointing fingers at each other. Tell you what if this gets a whole lot of play on right wing talk show radio, then it is a left wing idealogy and if Kieth and Rachel and Ed talk more about it on their shows then it's a right wing idealogy. Simple as that.

And lastly for those of you hoping this shooter dies or say pull the plug on him, that could be the WORST thing that could happen other than the poor guard dying because then these hate-monger groups will have themselves a martyr. Personally I hope he pulls through and LIVES everyday he has left in PAIN and AGONY.. death for him is the easy way out.

I think Jesus would be disappointed with all of you!! Why can't you people simply put aside your minute differences, which are mostly semantic or based on individual tastes and upbringing and collectively realize that what's important here is the loss of life, and how there wasn't nearly enough of it...

Nick

i think you are talking more about "ego" than party affiliation there. but i totally agree. conservatives are complete hypocrites. everybody is truly a liberal. the problem with the right-wing is that they have absolutist views....that is until something happens to them. a church goer will protest abortion clinics until she has a one night stand and gets pregnant. THATS when the right winger starts being honest with themselves. it usually doesnt last long though. liberals will adapt more. im not talking about all of them im just saying, in general. i believe liberals have more room to grow. i mean conservatives(at least todays conservatives) think they know the reason for life and why we are all here so why would they bother trying to learn more?

history repeats: I am giving you a HUG! IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.

I don't know who you are, or where you are from, but you and your pent up anger have found a place in my heart. When you make it to the Sheol I have a special job for you. My personal cookie baker. I am going to HUG you sooooooooo much it's going to be hard for you to properly pull burning hot cookies from the oven, cause my tentacle arms will be wrapped around you, sucking your very hateful essence.

We'll have fun!

Bubba

stalin was not LEFT! stalin was a bolshevik, bolsheviks were right wingers!! let me explain AGAIN. right wing is an ABSOLUTE VIEW! thats why ALL RELIGIOUS people are considered right wing because they KNOW the truth and will not compromise! military is RIGHT wing because they follow orders no matter what! left is the group that adapts and changes views based on information. they negotiate. they believe in education. the right wing believes they have no time for that nonsense they need to focus on protecting themselves. its BLACK and WHITE with right wing. stalin would kill any opposition HE WAS RIGHT WING. socialism is not LEFT WING when it becomes forced at gunpoint! people just dont bother reading anymore.

ERIC B "Personally I hope he pulls through and LIVES everyday he has left in PAIN and AGONY.. death for him is the easy way out."

OOOOO! WE like you Eric. What a beautiful and eloquent sentiment. Do you know "history repeats"? We like IT too.

Firstly, "evil" is not an action word, it's a noun. The shooter did not evil the security guard. He committed an evil deed by shooting him. Hate, on the other hand, assuredly is an action word, in that "to hate" qualifies as a verb form in a sentence. "The shooter presumably hates ethnic minorities and so he shot a man in a holocaust museum."

To your suggestion that everyone pray for the haters, I'll bet you a gazillion Internet bucks that the shooter DOES believe in God, The Christian God, and Christian love . . . only he likely also believes that dark people are Canaanites who are not deserving of God's love and that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus.

I appreciate the sentiment as I, too, believe that teaching love is a way to encourage peaceful and kind behavior, but religion tends to polarize people in this country. Pray indeed, but pray not only to receive a blinding lightening shot of metaphysical love; pray that people's ideologies, religious and political, don't get in the way of you, me, and everyone else on this list treating humanity with respect and dignity.

And y'all, it's not a political group or religious sect that shot a museum security guard; it was a foolish old man. Do we believe he hoped his actions would shed light on his cause? Or was he only so eaten up with hate, selfishness, and LACKS OF PURPOSE AND AWARENESS that he could imagine no other good in his life than to cast his hate about with malice?

We commenters, bloggers, and citizens would do well to look at our own motivations for shedding blame on each other, but this conversation is insightful and good – we continue to debate the source of our divisions.

By the way NJ, didn't I see you "hatin on" a feline democrat's cock while you told Wiscon you were just running to the store? Bad troll.

You guys are so easy.First of all this guy was a nut,period.Second, the blame for our woes fall on all politicians that have served for the last thirty years.Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They ALL have ignored the will of the people and lined their pockets.They keep you foolish people bickering about this crap while they work their agenda in the background.Bush was terrible and ignored the economy.Obama, hasn't gotten one thing right yet. The stimulus plan is a joke and only implemented so these crooks could get their money out of these crooked companies that they backed and was in bed with, At our expense.If you really want change, try facing reality.Here is whats next ( for you blind,arrogant party mongers).Now they are going to activate their base to spread all this crap about how we need more gun control, thus to further their agenda to disarm America. I'm tired of the smoking mirrors. I'm tired of listening to bought and paid for media tell lies and half truths to help further their parties agendas.I'm tired of a president that talks trash about the country and people who was so foolish to elect him. Why did he want a job for the people he hates and a country he despises. I don't get it?What other reason could he have....hmmmmmm, thats another write up. The truth is these people are playing America for a fool. And I have to admit I can see why every time I read these comments. Now the republicans will shake their fingers and scream see, I told you blah, blah, blah, when they are not much better. We inform these so called leaders of what the people want yet they continue to push what they want down our throat.And all you people can do is get on here and call each other names and bash each others party.Real mature by the way, not to mention the problems it solves.You all are playing right into their hands. Dems this year, republican the next. Not ever righting a wrong,or doing whats right. Just keeping the people busy with this trivial stuff why they finish ruining this country.......sad, very sad!!!!!

Response to Peace is Still:

Yes, I have been known to be hatin on a feline democrat's cock, but that's a once maybe twice a year thing! Wiscon had it coming (no pun intended), he and his ape (history repeats) are on the "backy" every night! It's turning their brains to mush!

History repeats, calling liberal views educated is quite a stretch after seeing what has happened since January. I like how you spin off right wing as stupid people who don't have a clue. Or throw in the military as right wing.Do they pay you for this stuff or are you just brain washed by the media?? Let me ask you this, If right is right and wrong is wrong, where is the middle ground that you love to pat yourself on the back for standing on.Another one, good and evil, can something be half good and half evil?
Sometimes, you have to make a stand on something you know is right or wrong. Is that stupid to you?Or are you like a fart on the wind, and just go where you are blown?Or who pays the most? If you are scared to stand on a belief, does that make everyone who don't agree with you a right winger??How is it that liberal logic only works in one direction? See, I'm a bigot because I want give in to your ramblings. But because you are a liberal,you think you are always right and those that oppose are always wrong....Nice try, might have worked on someone younger, save it for them!!!

NJ

yes i am angry. im glad you picked up on that. i cannot stand the ignorant people in this country that put a moron like bush into the white house TWICE. we can PRETEND like the united states is beautiful and wonderful and happy and the good guys always win OR we can be relistic and understand that people are taken advantage of everyday. these POLITICIANS do whatever they want and get away with it. this country was founded on the principles of keeping our elected officials accountable thats why we have a PRESIDENT and not a KING! but people care more about their favorite sports team. the right wing has RUINED this country and instead of seeing that and fixing their mistakes they do what they always do, what the christians and most religious people do, they think they have NO FAULTS. they blame everyone else. they have the nerve to blame this entire mess INCLUDING these right wing hate filled killers on the left!! they still dont get it. i hate the fact that america seems to be getting dumber every year. i hate the fact that nobody gets involved in anything. what the republicans did in albany is absolutely DISGUSTING and its an outrage and people should be storming that building down and dragging ALL of those politicians out!! but as usual most people dont even know about it!!! im sick of religion and its FAKE solution to real problems! i hate the fact that people think because they are above 20 yrs old that they have just somehow become MATURE ADULTS that know everything! yes i am hateful!

lightningbolt1:
"I’m tired of the smoking mirrors"– Me too!! They fill my castle, lining every wall and doorway. It's very hard to maintain my sanity in this environment. I am glad someone else knows the terrible burden of "the smoking mirrors"

They are the bane of my very existence. I would remove them but alas, while I am a heavy heavy smoker I am also eisoptrophobic.... ooooh the irony.

What do you do about your smoking mirrors?

NJ, I think he means "smoke AND mirrors," you left and right wingnut.

Dear sweet history repeats,

Keep it coming, your anger is like vitamins to me. Whip up the masses into a frenzy, a simian rage that can only be quelled with the sweet and terrible ensuing societal (that is the right word? I read it in a big book) breakdown It's not just Americans, but rather the entire world.

There is nothing you can do BUT be angry. Get out there, try to change things, see what happens, see how far you get. You are one human in 6,783,421,727.

Good luck.

Left wing nuts sue people.
Right wing nuts shoot people.

I am totally bored by this thread. I think I've had an anger overdose. Man, you folks sure can churn it out. Thank you. That was decadent! Thank you for the anger bender. I am going to go pet some animals now and watch the clouds move across the azure sky.

Weep not for me. Weep for yourselves. Focus that ineffectual rage on something important, that will change the world, play some Animal Crossing and beat your children.

people like rush, glenn and o'reilly and the people who listen to them need to held accountable for these type of incidents.

If anyone you know says or does anything that you think could lead to hate crimes – please contact the police or FBI. It sounds extreme but if it prevents a loss of life – it is worth it. We must also address the issue of gun control. – obviously the NRA manta does not work – contact your elected officials to get stronger legislation started.

cjr- Rush came to me in a dream last night and instructed me to write a children's book entitled "How to dress like Alex P. Keaton. Dress for success and maintain a rigid WASP-esque public appearance"

Also have you read 1984, remember when the neighbors children turned in their parents for being anti-establishment Goldstein supporters? Godd@Mn that was hilarious. If my parents were still alive I would totally turn them in too!

You are so right, EVERYONE TURN IN YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!

Also, why not arm the left? Level the playing field?

CJR- Being of Middle Eastern descent, I am thrilled that the terrorist focus is off my ethnicity and squarely on the shoulders of right wing crackers.

Praise Allah... errr I mean Jesus! Or Buddha. (I forget who we're supposed to pray to)

NJ

you are so poetic. you must have tons of friends.

The FBI doesnt investigate international terrorism. Thats the job of the CIA and the NSA. The FBI only investigates domestic matters.

Rob C. Since you raise gun control I think you should know, but I am sure you do not, that it is illegal for any convicted fellon to own a gun legally, or to purchase one from a reputable dealer. Though I am sure if you stop hugging your tree you might be able to read a book that has the laws in it, once they cut down your tree!

As for people blasting republicans as being part of these groups you are even less inspiring than Rob to me. Most of these groups are anti governement and do not belong usually to mainstream parties (their agendas do not match). As for people slamming the fact the current homeland puppet having t appologize for her comment about war veterans coming back from Iraq and Afganistan, I believe the last two must publicised attacks were from old coggers who should of not had guns legally (illegal guns are probably easier to get than MJ on the corner) and should of been out of society long ago. Though with health care improvements more and more of these old coggers will keep living longer and longer, shame really it is alot easier to control young mindless people who do not have very many life experiences to base their beliefs on.

history repeats, I think we have to break up. I am leaving your angry leftist rants for Judgemental's angry right wing rants. Sorry friend. Judgemental, how much do you weigh? I am aiming for a ton of friends and am about 300 lbs short.

Wow. This country is so full of irrational people incapable of having civil discourse and unable to spell.

The "left" and the "right" are constructions of the man to keep you at each others' throats while the real power goes on behind the corporate curtains, through their corporate bank accounts, and into the pocket of our corrupt legislators.

Campaign finance is the number one root cause of all that is wrong with this country.

Geez Fritz...you stopped me dead. Townsend 'invisible'? She was in the thick of it! Heck...Obama has no experience to speak of! But he has a great speaking style which seems to allow him to shanghai the countries future in the name of 'benefits' for all.
and...
Get over lumping all who disagree with abortion into 'hate groups'...that was the GOP objection. Having a 'save the babies' bumper sticker got you tagged in a homeland security report! That sticker indicts a lot of people in my church who would most likely not step on an ant! Come on!

I'm starting to get scared!

Do you feel deep satisfaction that with just a few simple titles such as: Nazi, crazy old man, hater, racist, wing nut -the life and opinions of a 88 year old man can be trivialized into non-existance. Even though I do not agree with his ineffectual methods I have to grant him some respect. Tell me how many of you are willing to sacrifice anything for your convictions? I'm waiting....I didn't think so. This man was willing to sacrifice his very life to fight for what he believes in and does not deserve your scorn. Do you sleep well at night knowing that another threat to your comfort zone has been eliminated with labels born of ignorance and hate or do you toss in your beds knowing that there are some among us that are willing to sacrifice everything for our beliefs (however misguided).

Wait a minute- I remember seeing Orielly talk about "Tiller the baby killer". It was news because the Attorney General of the state was investigating hin for being accused of providing "later term abortions" illegally. If I recall their was politics surrounding the Governor looking the other way and an election on the horizon.

Orielly wasn't insighting anyone to kill Tiller. He was reporting News that his audience "mostly against late term abortions" was interested in hearing.

Any twisting of the fact about Oreilly insighting a killing is simply people mis-reporting that facts to attack people they disagree with.

A recent example is blaming Sarah Palin for exploiting her 14 year old daughter for political purpose because she chose to defend her against what was clearly over the line comments by Letterman .

The real truth is that most of the media supports these kind of subversive inuendos against politicians they disagree with that are meant to denigrate people. The more that they can spit out, the more the sheep will believe. When it comes time to defend their actions, the media reports a twisted view of reality – like blaming Palin for defending her kid as as if she is the one that is to blame for the whole mess that the media tried to create.

The media – Most of FOX on the Right, and just about everyone on CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, (many, not all on CNN) etc on the left is a business.

The reason FOX has so much market share is because it is easy for viewers to distinguish between the facts and the ideological opinions that they report.

The other left networks have low ratings because viewers other than the pure radicals simply get tired of the same old bashing of the republicans, twisting of facts and reporting partial "out of context" facts as the whole story.

Once a viewer gets wind ( it deon't really take too long) that they cannot trust the left media, they simply tune out and watch Desperate Housewives or some other entertainments.

Most of the educated (non radical) audiences flip the dial between CNN and FOX news to sort out the facts.

At Ray – And Palin did no truth-twisting at all, right? She is an opportunist. She heard about Letterman's remarks and decided she could get 15 more minutes of fame out of them, AT THE EXPENSE OF HER CHILDREN AAAAGGGGAAAIIINNN!!!

Denine,

Your comments ARE the example....

Yup, Most left wing idealogs are so convinced how smart they are that they accept twisted truths , speel hatred of those they disagree to the point that they so believe their own diatribe that they would actually pass lie detector tests while spitting out erroneous facts and data.

Can you imaging someone criticizing a politician for defending her self and her children and actually "Believing" they have made some sort of point- by attacking the other person and saying that they did some truth-twisting. Of course they can't say what the truth-twisting is though, it is just their nature to attack others rather than too obviousley lose an argument by attempting to defend thier "letterman's" of their little world.

That is why most left wingers fall under the category of hipocrate.
If they can't win a debate on the merits, they attack with false claims, "typically by reciting opinions off the left wing media" as facts- which by the way is the left wing medias ultimate plan- to confuse their leftwingers with opinions enough times that the left winger actually believes it to the point making a fool out of themselves in the eyes of those that can see through their curtain of deception.

Right wingers make mistakes because they are dumb and easily swayed by their constituents and lobbyist based upon their idealogy.

Left wingers are smart, with a hidden evil that is so prevalent that they accept their own evil as norm.

The way I see it- the media supports attacks on people it doesn't agree with using subversive tactics that suprisingly work.

Take the Sara Palin Letterman situation.

First someone in the media attacks Sarah Palin, people laugh.
Then they do it again, and again do diminish her.
Then they take a bad interview she did with Katy Couric, and rather than show it once in its entirety, they play it over and ver keeping it in the news for a week to further diminish her.

Then they attack her character, then attack her children.

If she doesn't object, they attack her chldren again and again.

When she finally objects, they accuse her of exploiting her children by defending them on national media.

The classic set up. Except it is an obvious one if you really think about it.
However, their left wingers only get their ideas from the media, so they buy in and low and behold, the left wingers have a point to make that the feel strongly about because they heard it on their favorite media outlet so it must be a good point.

Actually it is a contrived point that they were set stand up for so what did the media accomplish? They get to diminish their opponents on their own terms and get the left wing sheep to go along for the ride.

Clever- but shallow to those that are aware.....

If one can argue that the best way to stop the violence in the illegal drug trade is to change the law and make it totally legal because so many people want to legalize it,

then wouldn't it be a fair agument that to stop the violence in late term abortions is to change the law and make it totally illegal because there are som many people against late term abortions?

At Ray and William III – For your information, I watched Sarah Palin live this morning on the Today Show, and it was plainly obvious that she was stretching truths/outright lying. She wanted so badly to have 15 more minutes of fame that she twisted Letterman's words to achieve that. He never once said anything about anyone raping her 14 year old daughter. He was openly mocking Bristol, who has made herself a public figure by now being an advocate for teen pregnancy prevention. It's obvious that Palin just likes to hear herself talk. Speaking of people who like to hear themselves talk and think that their way is the correct way – read your own posts. My guess is that both of you guys never miss a Sunday service at your white protestant church where they feed you all of your information. Who's being snowed now!?!

Ray denine and William: You guys blew my mind. you got some liberal chocolate in a wad of conservative peanut butter. In your honor I have modified my f-350 with a toyota prius.

Keep it up! Let's add some metaphorical blood to the mix? God, I am so hungry.

I think libs and cons can find socio-political common ground. We are all Americans after all. It's not the base that causes the strife, but rather the folks at the top who perpetuate this animosity and contention. I firmly believe that to be true.

Our inner-nation strife is constructed to keep us at each others throats, which ultimately distracts us from what the douches in charge are doing.

DOWN WITH THE ARISTOCRACY.

There is no such thing as the " lone wolf" theory – every one of these recent hate crimes has an origin and I believe this origin emanates from the Christian Reconstructionist- Dominionst fundamentalist movement which is then appropriated by various individuals, groups, think tanks and other who have spread this hatred into Churches whose rhetoric of hatred is then leaked out into many various directions. If this movement was to be exposed by the media, press, and government – many in this nation would come to know why these hate crimes are on the rise. One only has to read the theologies of Marvin Olasky, Gary North, Rushdoony and others like them to know that it has also now spread to other faith groups and continues to exist as the very real and only wolf pack to be exposed.

I thought Democrats detested profiling. That's about all I see in the left wing here.

I'm sure this effort will target left wing extremists also, right? Environmental whackos, pro-abortion extremists and the like. Right?

Fat chance.

Pro-abortion extremist? Since when has any pro-choice person done anything "extreme". Any self-righteous pastors getting shot? Anyone go to an anti-choice protest and just open fire on the people?

If you want government out of healthcare, maybe it can keep its hands off of womens bodies?

Paul, your kidding right? Over 54 million unborn children laid directly at the feet of the left. Not extreme enough for you? Even the term "pro-choice" is a lame dodge. That term is so vague it doesn't mean anything. I said pro-abortion and there are over 54 million deaths laid directly at the feet of pro-abortionists.

That is extreme. 6-million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, a truly horrible event, pales in comparison to the abortion holocaust.

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