And that's the way it must remain in the US. We are a free country. If religion runs contrary to logic (as in the case of gay marriage - all objections to it are rooted in homophobic religion), then logic must prevail in a free society. Otherwise, you are saying whichever religion's followers are in the majority are right in making laws based on whatever their imaginary friend tells them. Would you want to live in a country where all the women are made to wear the niqab, just because Allah or Mohammed or whomever supposedly wants it that way?

This is the danger of having muslims in power, and having them grow in numbers here in the US. They tend toward theocractic laws, and the christians are bad enough in that area already. I would like you and your kind to keep your superstitious nonsense where it belongs (in your cult houses) and leave the lawmaking to the secular, rational minds. It is my hope that our president feels the same way, so it is particularly troubling to see him bow before one of their filthy kings.

The point I am making is that Obama is the president of our COUNTRY. Not our CHURCH. America is not a theocracy. We have a separation of church and state here, and government is not supposed to be subject to religion. I would prefer him to address the leaders of other nations in governing terms, not in religious ones. But the muslims are even worse than the christians in tying the two together.

And that's a huge problem when it comes to relating to them as soverign nations. You can have millions of people who all claim membership in the same religion, who all have the same holy book, and who all split up into little sub-cults because they can't all read the same book and agree that it says the same thing. These bibles and holy books are crummy instruction manuals, since it seems as though there is no clear, single way to interpret them, even among those poor zombies who so desperately want to.

That kind of ambiguity is useless when it comes to running a nation. We need clear laws and expectations that cover everyone, regardless of interpret-it-however-you-want scriptures, and not just for those who bow down on their knees a hundred times a day talking to an invisible being who they can't even prove exists in the first place. Or those who walk into their cult buildings and pretend to eat the flesh and drink the skin of their magic savior, and then say other people with other imaginary friends have strange rituals.

The spread of islam is the spread of theocracy, and I sincerely hope that our president will make it clear that we will never be part of that idiotic mindset.

as i last message: Even though you want to show muhammed as a
""child porn"" star .. he is who he is....

i have written more than enough to explain myself... thanks for the discuss and see you guys :=))

Here is the thing, a marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now I believe gay couples should be afforded the same inheritance, insurance benefit, hospital visitation rights and all other rights that straight married couples have. Having said that, we can't expand the definition of "marriage". I am all for civil unions though, does that work for you?

Yet, it's the muslim countries that criminalize homosexuality. It's the muslim countries that have the most reluctance to support a UN resolution against criminal laws against homosexuality. It's the muslim countries where the penalty for being gay (or sometimes, just being suspected of being gay) is the harshest - sometimes, even death.

Yeah, I don't have any warm feelings for the muslims.

These are also the same people who have the best chance, the greatest opportunity, to disrupt and eliminate these terrorist cells who plan to attack us, and who plan to attack other non-muslims. Yet, these attacks happen, they continue. Where are the majority peacenik muslims? Why, if they SO OUTNUMBER these violent animals, have they not been able to stop them?

Or is it the fact that they do not so outnumber them? Is it that they do not really disagree with them in such large numbers?

I don't know the answer, but it looks very much like the "majority of muslims are peaceful" idea is about as true as the "most christians do not hate gays" idea. I call BULL.

Religion can benefit humanity, but it also represents the death of independent thought. The major theocracies in the modern world are muslim. I don't want to live in a theocracy, and I am distrustful of any group of people who would like to see them flourish in the 21st century.

While I am sure there are many lovely, decent muslims out there, even some small number who are not disgusted by my homosexuality, or who would be very upset to know that anyone would want to kill me in the name of allah, I remain very distrustful of them, and I feel no sympathy for them when they are portrayed as primitive, backwater, violent beasts. I don't know why our president has to show such deference to them, and it worries me that he feels it is necessary.

PS Rush is an idiot

As far as these stories in the news you are referring to, yes I find them apalling. But you seem to be missing the point that many other people on this posting are trying to make. That is that you are judging a whole religion based on the horrific actions of a sub-group. Oh, and do not confuse honour killings with a religion, that is cultural, and it is in many cultures. Islam does not tell families to kill their children, period. People who are doing these things are doing for cultural reasons, not religious. Christins, Hindus, and Jews have all been guilty of it. Lets face it, th media feeds off of showing these things on tv or writing articles on it. There are 1 billion people in India and you choose to use one horrible story about a girl to illustrate your point. Well your point can not be made. Did you know about the Hindu boys and girls that are killed for the same reasons? These things happen in lots of places SF and not because of Islam.

Oh, and about Pakistan. Would you want your children going to school when there is a war going on outside your window? Did you know that even with the closing of schools in western Pakistan by the Taleban there are still many schools for girls open and still more being built in that region? Did you know there had been growing support for girls to go to school there and that for the first time girls are getting an education and becoming professionals? And this is with the support of local Mullah. Not all Mullah are the same you know. You see, I think you read these news items and then come to a conclusion without knowing other issues involved.

As far as your references to Zoe about terrorism and 911 , Madrid. Yeah those people were horribleywrong, and yes, they did it in the name of religion. 911 was a horrible day and those things should never happen. But you know what. Doing things in the name of ideology is just as dangerous, just ask the Iraqis and the tens of thousands of innocent people they lost. That is their 911 times 20 or more. Blame the terrorists, not Islam. Islam is not the reason, it is their screwed up minds. And I know what you are going to say. Something along the lines of "the Koran tells Muslims to kill non-muslims and to go to war, and all that." Well actually, I ask you to go Read the Qu'ran in its entirety. Do not read a book by someone who wrote about it. Do not just go to a specific page and find one line and tell us that this is what Islam tells you to do. Read the whole thing. Then you will see what Islam represents and that it is about peace and forgiveness, very similar to the Bible.

Try to be more positive SF. The more you push someone, they will want to push back. Try to see the good in people and not the bad.

Ezek: 9:5 And the LORD said “ Go though the city and smite: let not our eye spare, neither have your pity SLAY UTTERLY OLD AND YOUNG BOTH MAIDS AND LITTLE CHILDREN AND WOMAN

Num 31:1 And the Lord said unto Moses “Avenge the children of the Mid an ites They warred against the Mid I an ites,” as the Lord commanded Moses and they slay all the males And they Took all women as captives and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all there goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt and kill their goodly castles with fire

Moses said “Have you saved all the women alive? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY woman that has know a man by lying with him, bu all the young girls who have not know a man by lying ith him KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES

JUDG 21:10 the congregation of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men and commanded them “ Go and SMITE the inhabitants of Ja besh gil ead WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD ALSO THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES EVERY MALE AND EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS LAIN WITH A MALE YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY

Deut 20:10 When you draw near to a city to fight against it, OFFER TERMS OF PEACE to it. And if its ANSWER TO YOU IS PEACE and it opens to you, then all the PEOPLE WHO ARE FOUND IN IT SHALL DO FOCED LABOUR FOR YOU AND SHALL SERVE YOU.

But if it makes no peace with you then you shall besiege it YOU SHALL PUT ALL ITS MALES TO THE SWORD but the women and the little ones the cattle and every thing else in the city all its spoil you shall take as booty for yourselves and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies.

The differences between what you are saying and this is that a small part of the people in the Arabs whom distort the religion of Islam want to do genocide to us; IE- Al Quida. They also don’t like anyone that is Islamic and don’t follow their view. They are no different from the Nazis, Khmer Rouge or any of the other like them. They, including Taliban, take advantage of bad times and use it to gain control, spread fear, and kill. It does not matter what religion, or ethnic group you are, just like genocide, every group- including religious groups, are guilty of this at sometime of another.

The differences between you and the Muslims,- or should I say the similarities between you, Al-Quida, Khemer Rouge and the Nazis, is that YOU LUMP ALL OF ONE GROUP( THE MUSLIMS INTO THE SAME GROUP-INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE DOING THE BAD ACTS- THEN DO DEHUMANIZATION

Also, I was in EGYPT LIVING WITH EGYPTIONS LIKE AN EGYPTIONS ONLY 3 WEEKS BEFOR 9-11, I don’t recall anyone trying to hart me, despite the fact that my Irish skin stuck out. In fact they LOVED US. They also had a lot of TROOPS WITH GUNS AROUND- THEY WERE TERRIFIED OF THE SAME PEOPLE AS US.

Remember 9-11, how can I forget it. I live in a commuter town- that is MANY people in my town, and the towns next to me jump on a train, take one hour trip and end up in NYC to work. When I was in school that day, 50%-80% of my classmates where terrified, and rightly so, that their parents were killed. My county lost about 130 people on 9-11, and that is not taking in account of those that were injured, lost their jobs, or were going to suffer from PTSD due to what they saw (ie- their friends being thrown out of windows)

I am personally more terrified of the hate groups and drug gangs then the Al Qida- and keep in mind- what happens in NYC directly affects my home. They are more likely to strike the Al Qida.

http://www.pbs.org/itvs/caughtinthecrossfire/factsheet.html

Here are some quotes from PBS;
“Although most Arabs are Muslim, most Muslims are not Arab. Only about 12 percent of Muslims worldwide are Arabs.”

“n fact, there are more Muslims in Indonesia than in all Arab countries combined”

A quick search on CIA World Fact book would show you that every where in the world, but the Americas have at lest on country that is manly Islamic. Only a small number of them- and then a small number of people in them do evil.

Also, if you read what I wrote- I said that dehumanization comes BEFORE a genocide. Ones the genocide has happen, yea they are victims.

I can tell NO ONE will make you think that you are wrong. I wish you would think out side of the box and stop listing to Rush. After all, Rwanda happened because of what was being said on the radio. However, I am giving the others that might read this blog the other side of the story, one that does not hate a group but gives blame to the few people that hate. You are sadly a lost cause, and I pray their are few of you out there.

Look, the crusades, all of them took place hunderds of years ago, and even still they were some what justified to free the holy land from muslim grasp. Moreover it was a reaction to the spread of the forceable spread of islam through europe. And the crusades were for the most part funded by wealthy christians

Yes christans do kill and recently some dude killed his whole family right here in the usa, but that has nothing to do with being christian. Find it for me in the bible. Yet you will find justification and encouragment of such acts in the Quran. Also in this country, the US, there are laws against murder. We punish people like that. In muslim countries that is the law so don't describe those things as marginal events.

And don't twist the truth, it is not some old fashioned saudis, it is the law of the land. How about my iranian example? Where they old fashioned too? No, it was a sentence passed down from the judge who tried her case.

Look, lie to others all you want but don't lie to yourself

What about jobless people who kill their children and wife because they dont have enough money to make them live.. If you search a little bit you would see many cases in only US.. Don't try to show the marginal and CRIMINAL events as if they are "islamic traditions". If we talk about marginal things we would figure out many strange things in your society as well.

PS: is It the same "God's will" which motivatied Christians to attack eastern societies in the most barbarian way namely crusader attacks which were sponsored by your Popes ?? Don't tell me about God's WILL !! First clean your own house and then ask me to clean MINE !!!!!!!!